Coffee 11:48 Mon Mar 21
China Eastern 737 crashes
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132 people on board.
Will this be the first of a more than average number of aircraft crashes in the coming months? Pilots have hardly been flying. Their skills are rusty. How well have aircraft been maintained during the pandemic?
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Far Cough
11:56 Mon Mar 21
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I don't think pilots skills get rusty from long layoffs, they have SOPs standard operating procedures and checklists that can be relied on to make sure they are doing things correctly, maintenance could be an issue but China has a good safety record in that regard, the only thing I can think of is that the plane is a Boeing 737 and although not the MAX something of that nature could be a factor?
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Lee Trundle
11:56 Mon Mar 21
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The data suggests it was pretty catastrophic, so I don't think much blame can be put on the pilot.
Judging by everything else that the Chinese maintain in their country (from lifts, to escalators, to buildings, to virus labs), then it's probably mechanical.
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On The Ball
12:00 Mon Mar 21
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I've wondered very similar things. I just kind of assumed that pilots would have been in simulators constantly, but the mnaintenance aspect obviously isn't the same.
Has Chinese aviation suffered as much as many other countries? I haven't stayed properly up-to-date but I thought China went on quite normally internally, just with the borders effectively closed.
At least it's not a MAX. 'Downfall: The Case Against Boeing' on Netflix is bloody interesting, if anyone hasn't seen it.
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wd40
12:07 Mon Mar 21
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As Benny Hill would say what a
sirry iriot
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ak37
12:12 Mon Mar 21
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Chi-NA
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Leonard Hatred
12:13 Mon Mar 21
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Did that Malaysian one ever turn up?
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violator
12:36 Mon Mar 21
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Theres footage of it on twitter, going down like a fucking dart
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Travelling Iron
1:24 Mon Mar 21
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CAA rules only apply to international flights.
Some internal flights in places like Russia and China can be over 2000 miles per journey.
A mate of mine used to fly Moscow to the Sakhalin a 12 hour flight, it would land somewhere to take on passengers and engineers would come onboard and butcher the plane, removing seats and other components.
Maintenance on these flights is appalling.
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Kaiser Zoso
1:48 Mon Mar 21
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I've flown China Eastern.
It was like Benny Hill airways. In a not very funny way.
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Coffee
2:02 Mon Mar 21
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Far Cough 11:56 Mon Mar 21
All that's true. Time in the sim will certainly maintain confidence that you can handle the plane. The trouble comes in dealing with abnormal situations and emergencies that typical sim procedures don't include. Those kind of skills do erode with time.
As for the Max, with all the time and money that's been poured into fixing it, there should not be any problems at all. It's still a crap design, though!
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Coffee
2:05 Mon Mar 21
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Kaiser Zoso 1:48 Mon Mar 21
I've also flown with them. Twice, both short-haul. Probably not enough to form a judgment, but I remember those flights as thoroughly uninspiring.
I do remember Kunming airport had signs saying that tossing was forbidden.
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Mr Anon
3:08 Mon Mar 21
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from what Violator said it sounds like the same issue that has plagued new Boeings, faulty sensors that make it seem like the planes stalling so the autopilot kicks in and pushes the nose down.
They didnt even tell the pilots about it when they first installed it which led to hundreds of needless deaths, they then tried to blame the pilots, scumbags
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Far Cough
3:37 Mon Mar 21
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Anon, that was on the 737 MAX this plane is a 737
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Crassus
5:27 Mon Mar 21
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The video of the descent is in the wider domain now - Horrific
RIP the poor passengers hurtling down knowing whats coming
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charleyfarley
12:44 Tue Mar 22
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Bloke who trains pilots on simulators saying this Boeing is not the controversial MCAS software Boeing, but the one before, the safest plane in the world, it lost 25,000 feet in less than 2 minutes which is a dive, he is saying take a close look at the pilots (German pilot who deliberately flew into mountain) as there are no known scenarios for planes to go into a nose dive without pilot intervention They are still searching for flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder which if they are not damaged will reveal all
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Lee Trundle
12:49 Tue Mar 22
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The footage has it going straight down like a dart.
There's reports now saying it fell to 7,400ft before briefly regaining about 1,200ft in altitude.
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violator
1:04 Tue Mar 22
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Few theories that it could have been a suicide, which might be a reason why they seemed to get the plane under control before losing it again.
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Coffee
1:22 Tue Mar 22
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Lee Trundle 12:49 Tue Mar 22
See here:
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/645805-china-eastern-737-800-mu5735-accident-march-2022-a-2.html#&gid=1&pid=5
Look at the altitude and the vertical speed (far right column). It took just over 90 seconds to go from 29,000 feet to crash. Totally, utterly terrifying.
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Lee Trundle
1:40 Tue Mar 22
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Interesting read that, Coffee.
A lot of educated guessing by the NERDS there. Suggestions that the plane was starting to tear apart before it hit the ground (possibly due to the speed it was going).
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Amputee Actor
2:02 Tue Mar 22
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Those passenger windows look painted on to me.
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